Live Action
For any comic book fan live action has always been either feast or famine. Of all the characters who have gotten a Live Action version the most popular seems to be Superman, the Man of Steel has had 8 live action incarnations. From Movies to Broadway Plays and TV shows, Superman is to date the most successful Comic Book Character to be translated into Live action. Now to be fair I am not just talking about money made off of said property I also mean the dutiful translation of the character and his villains, If I was just talking about money Superman would still be up there but especially including recent box office success the list would probably be:Batman, Spider-man, Iron Man, Superman and The Incredible Hulk(mainly because of his long running TV series and made for TV movies). The problem with most live action attempts is that the medium of Comic book and cartoon allows you to create a world where physics don't matter, you can create whatever look you want and since it isn't "real" you tend to get a break on the look of things. With live action if it doesn't look right people will be disappointed.
The 1970's
Peter Parker got a live action TV show in 1978 called the Amazing Spider-man starring Nicholas Hammond
Okay, as a 4 year old at the time this show came out I would like to say as BAD as it looks now hey everybody looked like that back then. Those extra shiny costumes, the cheesy special effects, the bad wire work there was no cgi back then it was all rotoscoping, stop motion camera work, and picture flipping. As a little kid just happy to see Spider-man on my TV screen I ignored the fact that the webbing came out as a Nylon string or else a premade net, I also ignored that I guess Mr. Hammond had never done any rock climbing because it always looking like he had just bent over and dog walked up the sides of buildings. Nick Hammond had the look of peter parker though, yeah yeah those weird eye screens were always kind of silly but I guess back then it was the only way they were able to let him see. It ran for about 2 years and while today's standards relegate it to the campy-ness of the original Batman live action TV show or maybe a step below the Incredible Hulk TV show for believability. The Transformation from Bill Bixby to Lou Ferrigno worked because of the difference in stature of the two men even if since then live action hulks tend to be CGI and stay away from purple pants hood.
Showing posts with label Spiderman Reboot. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Spiderman Reboot. Show all posts
Sunday, August 7, 2011
Saturday, August 6, 2011
Sequels vs Remakes/Reboots: Spider-man Pt. 2
The Cartoons
You don't hang around for 40 plus years, sell tons of merch, become a favorite of people around the world and don't sooner or later get placed onto the small screen. Spider-mans quirky mannerism, flippant conversations and determination has made him a beloved cartoon character for generations. For most my age the iconic images of Spider-man come to us from the 1960's cartoon Spider-man named after the comic book. The colors were a little washed out but the action was evenly paced and the stories were ripped right from the comics.
One of the most memorable things from this show was the theme song, every spider-man theme song since then as well as the in show music always tries to match the resonance of it. For the most part spider-man didn't really change in look for the better part of 30 years. Even in the 1980's Spider-man and his Amazing friends Peter Parker looked the same, the funny part about the show is that Iceman was and X-man and while for the show Fire Star was also an X-man in the comics she was a Hellion, a ward of the Hell Fire Club and one the X-men's biggest rival. It was also an interesting mix because Spider-man and Ice man are both seen as "class clowns" so the two were always playing off each other. There was also a running joke because Ice man and Fire Star can pretty much to quick changes anywhere where as spidey has to find a place to strip.
You don't hang around for 40 plus years, sell tons of merch, become a favorite of people around the world and don't sooner or later get placed onto the small screen. Spider-mans quirky mannerism, flippant conversations and determination has made him a beloved cartoon character for generations. For most my age the iconic images of Spider-man come to us from the 1960's cartoon Spider-man named after the comic book. The colors were a little washed out but the action was evenly paced and the stories were ripped right from the comics.
One of the most memorable things from this show was the theme song, every spider-man theme song since then as well as the in show music always tries to match the resonance of it. For the most part spider-man didn't really change in look for the better part of 30 years. Even in the 1980's Spider-man and his Amazing friends Peter Parker looked the same, the funny part about the show is that Iceman was and X-man and while for the show Fire Star was also an X-man in the comics she was a Hellion, a ward of the Hell Fire Club and one the X-men's biggest rival. It was also an interesting mix because Spider-man and Ice man are both seen as "class clowns" so the two were always playing off each other. There was also a running joke because Ice man and Fire Star can pretty much to quick changes anywhere where as spidey has to find a place to strip.
Friday, December 10, 2010
How I would map out the "Spiderman" reboot
Now look I know they ain askin me, I know I don't have enough ducketts in the bank to even tickle the hair beside their ear lobe BUT, if I were to be in such a position to influence the reboot of the movie franchise for my all time favorite comic book character(I used to own Spidey PJ's, yes there is a picture I severly doubt I will post it) this is how I would map out the progression. And I would have some set in stone, non reversible, no change banks, no time outs, no skipsies rules that had to be obey.
Save Kraven(and for a short time Doc Ock) spidey villians don't die, they fake their deaths, the fall off the grid for a while but they don't die. Like all super heroes some started out with lame(or at least with lame looking costumes say like Shocker and the original Mr. Daisy Electro man was electro's original costume gay, you couldn't pay the guys from Will and Grace to wear that costume) villains. Maybe some new "threat", disease, or weird phenomenon popped up comics being pop culture usually runs with some new issue and makes it work in their medium.
So yeah I know you may wanna kill off the lame villians or hell some main ones no axing ANYBODY unless it was in the actual main story line.
Keep the Girl friends in order
Mary Jane Watson is Peter Parker's reward for always being that stand up guy, ALWAYS living by his credo of "with great power comes great responsibility"(and for Stan Lee pounding him into the sand EVERY other issue, Spidey rarely wins in the first meeting, hell sometimes not in that issue it's always Spidey in gravel, Spidey half conscious for Stan's most SUCCESSFUL CHARACTER EVER he sure beats the hell out of him regularly and the marvel universe has kept that them intact, just saying MJW is a great reward but so would not making his life suck 50% of the time). Spiderman came out in the 60's but his woman of tomorrow strong female love interest(Lois Lane started out the typical damsel in distress, MJW was the consummate whirlwind and firebrand from day one) I think didn't come around til the mid to late 70's.
I remember reading about how for like 3 issues and up til like the last 5 panels of the issue she was introduced in she was just a voice. They knew who they wanted her to be but hadn't decided fully how the fiery red head would look. And MJ wasn't a pushover oh no she was a Tigress she was on the prowl and when she finally caught the scent of our shy hero, man was her iconic "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot" an understatement(look at the pictures name me one book nerd who wouldn't take every wedgie and melvin if thats what they were gonna end up marrying after college)
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To my recollection the girlfriend list went:
Gwen Stacy(who was later killed by the jackal)
Betty Brant(it was actually more of a work place crush as she was much older than peter)
Felicia Hardy
And then Mary Jane Watson.
Yes I know those ONLY familiar with the ultimate universe will say but Mary Jane was there all along, no she wasn't but if you remember the ultimate series of marvel comics is a condensed, sped up version of all storyline putting the most BLARING character identifiable traits early to bring newbies up to speed(by the way Kitty Pride the X-men's Shadowcat would also be on the list if we added the ultimate universe since they dated) .
I say this after calling Electro's costume gay(if me using gay in that way offends you, I accept that. I have nothing against gay people I just feel this situation fits that description) yes some costumes could get a mild color and "design" update, no Gobbyizing.
The Green Goblin's(Norman Osbourne) costume was god awful in Spiderman, yes I know the "imp" motif might have been a bit much but go with it.
Doc Ocs (Otto Octavius)costume was pretty simplistic just a green jumpsuit. So the trench coat and basic clothes worked.
For Electro(Maxwell Dillon) I say borrow from Infamous, some cargo pants, a bike messengers jacket done.
Sandman(Flint Marko) I mean his outfit in the movie was fine. Striped green shirt brown pants.
Venom(Eddie Brock) meh that's kinda his costume but brock was supposed to be the jock to Peter's nerd so not really feeling Parker lite in Topher grace.
Scorpion(Eddie Gargan) there have been a few successful updates of the scorpion suit so I say keep him buff, keep him simplistic, and let him slap around with the tail that shoots acid
The Rhino(Alex O'Hirn) now this one I wouldn't mind a switch to the Ultimate version. A mechanized cyber suit of destruction, yeah go with that.
Who's next who knows.
CAMEO's
Comic books thrive on them, I mention Felicia Hardy as the eventual black cat. Also if you add Black Cat do the Fox kids version of her origin:her dad "The Cat" was tricked into learning the super soldier serum, has a photographic memory and is black mailed into giving the CORRECT formula to The Kingpin by him threatening to test the formula on his daughter first.
And as all the Marvel heroes are NORMALLY based in NY you can stumble over anyone DO SO. Maybe even test a few "low tier" heroes who might be good for a test movie. Blade was an out of the Galaxy Home run for marvel. He NEVER worked as a comic and was Cameo King you have PLENTY of second or third tier heroes you can give minor screen time to and if you get positive feedback expand on him later.
Most comic book movies fail because you get a writer who decides he has a better idea of how the character should act, a director decides he doesn't need to obey umpteen years of fan dedication and you get a train wreck: The last Airbender, BloodRayne, Dragon Ball Evolution, Elektra, THE HULK.
You change so many things that the character is unrecognizable and pisses off fans, then newbies see a hodge podge effect and possibly get sucked in by special effects but they aren't going to go long term with buying Merch. Respect the fan boys, they budget merch into their pay checks.
Wow this got longer then expected okay I will revisit this subject sometime this weekend. I'll go into more actual story depth instead of just the rules for what should be(which I think most spidey fans would agree are some pretty decent rules)
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NO KILLING VILLAINS
Save Kraven(and for a short time Doc Ock) spidey villians don't die, they fake their deaths, the fall off the grid for a while but they don't die. Like all super heroes some started out with lame(or at least with lame looking costumes say like Shocker and the original Mr. Daisy Electro man was electro's original costume gay, you couldn't pay the guys from Will and Grace to wear that costume) villains. Maybe some new "threat", disease, or weird phenomenon popped up comics being pop culture usually runs with some new issue and makes it work in their medium.
So yeah I know you may wanna kill off the lame villians or hell some main ones no axing ANYBODY unless it was in the actual main story line.
Keep the Girl friends in order
Mary Jane Watson is Peter Parker's reward for always being that stand up guy, ALWAYS living by his credo of "with great power comes great responsibility"(and for Stan Lee pounding him into the sand EVERY other issue, Spidey rarely wins in the first meeting, hell sometimes not in that issue it's always Spidey in gravel, Spidey half conscious for Stan's most SUCCESSFUL CHARACTER EVER he sure beats the hell out of him regularly and the marvel universe has kept that them intact, just saying MJW is a great reward but so would not making his life suck 50% of the time). Spiderman came out in the 60's but his woman of tomorrow strong female love interest(Lois Lane started out the typical damsel in distress, MJW was the consummate whirlwind and firebrand from day one) I think didn't come around til the mid to late 70's.
I remember reading about how for like 3 issues and up til like the last 5 panels of the issue she was introduced in she was just a voice. They knew who they wanted her to be but hadn't decided fully how the fiery red head would look. And MJ wasn't a pushover oh no she was a Tigress she was on the prowl and when she finally caught the scent of our shy hero, man was her iconic "Face it Tiger, you just hit the jackpot" an understatement(look at the pictures name me one book nerd who wouldn't take every wedgie and melvin if thats what they were gonna end up marrying after college)
.
To my recollection the girlfriend list went:
Gwen Stacy(who was later killed by the jackal)
Betty Brant(it was actually more of a work place crush as she was much older than peter)
Felicia Hardy
And then Mary Jane Watson.
Yes I know those ONLY familiar with the ultimate universe will say but Mary Jane was there all along, no she wasn't but if you remember the ultimate series of marvel comics is a condensed, sped up version of all storyline putting the most BLARING character identifiable traits early to bring newbies up to speed(by the way Kitty Pride the X-men's Shadowcat would also be on the list if we added the ultimate universe since they dated) .
Adherence to basic costume design
I say this after calling Electro's costume gay(if me using gay in that way offends you, I accept that. I have nothing against gay people I just feel this situation fits that description) yes some costumes could get a mild color and "design" update, no Gobbyizing.
The Green Goblin's(Norman Osbourne) costume was god awful in Spiderman, yes I know the "imp" motif might have been a bit much but go with it.
Doc Ocs (Otto Octavius)costume was pretty simplistic just a green jumpsuit. So the trench coat and basic clothes worked.
For Electro(Maxwell Dillon) I say borrow from Infamous, some cargo pants, a bike messengers jacket done.
Sandman(Flint Marko) I mean his outfit in the movie was fine. Striped green shirt brown pants.
Venom(Eddie Brock) meh that's kinda his costume but brock was supposed to be the jock to Peter's nerd so not really feeling Parker lite in Topher grace.
Scorpion(Eddie Gargan) there have been a few successful updates of the scorpion suit so I say keep him buff, keep him simplistic, and let him slap around with the tail that shoots acid
The Rhino(Alex O'Hirn) now this one I wouldn't mind a switch to the Ultimate version. A mechanized cyber suit of destruction, yeah go with that.
Who's next who knows.
CAMEO's
Comic books thrive on them, I mention Felicia Hardy as the eventual black cat. Also if you add Black Cat do the Fox kids version of her origin:her dad "The Cat" was tricked into learning the super soldier serum, has a photographic memory and is black mailed into giving the CORRECT formula to The Kingpin by him threatening to test the formula on his daughter first.
And as all the Marvel heroes are NORMALLY based in NY you can stumble over anyone DO SO. Maybe even test a few "low tier" heroes who might be good for a test movie. Blade was an out of the Galaxy Home run for marvel. He NEVER worked as a comic and was Cameo King you have PLENTY of second or third tier heroes you can give minor screen time to and if you get positive feedback expand on him later.
Use ACTUAL STORYLINES
Most comic book movies fail because you get a writer who decides he has a better idea of how the character should act, a director decides he doesn't need to obey umpteen years of fan dedication and you get a train wreck: The last Airbender, BloodRayne, Dragon Ball Evolution, Elektra, THE HULK.
You change so many things that the character is unrecognizable and pisses off fans, then newbies see a hodge podge effect and possibly get sucked in by special effects but they aren't going to go long term with buying Merch. Respect the fan boys, they budget merch into their pay checks.
Wow this got longer then expected okay I will revisit this subject sometime this weekend. I'll go into more actual story depth instead of just the rules for what should be(which I think most spidey fans would agree are some pretty decent rules)
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